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posted by: WinstonSmith (reply) post date: 05.04.04 (6:51 pm) You are right and Americans don't want to face the fact that we are massacring tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians & hundreds of US soldiers in order to enrich the Bush Crime Family, Halliburton & the Oil Corporations & Military Industrial Complex Corporations. Moreover, they can't face the fact that most guys who die, die for nothing-- they're not "heros" -- they are victims of the biggest ugliest terrorist on earth: Bush. Finally, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and if Americans woke-up to the implications of the fact that our government not only lied to us, but are killing & impoverishing us for pernicious motives, Bush would be impeached, tried for treason & sent to the Hague to be tried for Crimes Against Humanity, where he belongs. Too bad you are not living here in the USA. We need more people with brains able to see past the neo-con's neo-orwellian propaganda. Well said post :) posted by: Jsin (reply) post date: 05.04.04 (7:02 pm) Reply to: WinstonSmith Too bad there werent more ppl like yourself in america that actually know whats going on.Hopefully you guys get rid of bush this november. posted by: carcinogen (reply) post date: 05.04.04 (7:35 pm) the US COULD blow up Canada. And with Bush in the helm i wouldn't be surprised if he could generate some bs excuse to. Sure a good thing we remedied that whole problem with that nasty leader with all those weapons of mass destruction. And yes, you should be glad you live in Canada. I never thought i would ever say that, but I really envy you. posted by: Jsin (reply) post date: 05.04.04 (7:38 pm) Reply to: carcinogen Of course the US could blow us up easily, never know with bush but i think he'd have a hard time explaining that one to the UN Yeah its alot safer here than in the states right now, hopefull you guys get rid of bush soon. posted by: carcinogen (reply) post date: 05.04.04 (7:45 pm) But that is the scary thing. Bush doesn't care what the UN thinks. He is at the helm of a massive war machine. The US has the capabilities to put on a hell of a show. Though, actually, right now we "appear" to be stretched thin with the masac...i mean oil confiscatio...er...i mean "war" in Iraq. Apparently sending our enlisted men do kill and die for this cause isn't enough. Now they are talking of starting the draft again. So you can expect to meet some new people soon I am guessing. I saw a t-shirt that says "Evil hides behind every Bush." I think that is appropriate. posted by: madhatta (reply) post date: 05.04.04 (7:46 pm) ok, i'm not here to force my opinions on anyone else or sound like a fanatic lunatic, but i do want to voice my opinion (since you did try to draw attention to your topic and you asked for public discussion). firstly, people need to realize that being the President of the United States is an extremely important position, it is the most powerful person in the entire world, and that is something that must be handled with utmost delicacy. No matter who is President, people need to respect him for the simple fact that he is President. i'm not saying you shouldnt speak your mind, but i am saying that 'we the people' put him there, and we all need to come to the realization that he's doing an incredibly hard job and that in itself is a call for respect. i dont understand what yall dont see? maybe it's because you're Canadian and it didnt happen in your country, or maybe it's because you dont remember september 11 as clearly as you should, but let me remind you: they hijacked planes and crashed them into our tallest buildings, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people and causing even more innocent lives to be lost just doing their jobs: firemen and policemen alike died to save their fellow mankind, fellow American. if the fact that these few people killed so many out of no other reason than hate doesnt anger you, then how can you call yourself loyal to your country? and, if you're not loyal to your country, then MOVE to Canada. as much as people dislike President Bush for whatever petty reasons, you cannot abhore him bc of his actions in Iraq. how can you respond to such a huge offense to your country in any other way than defense? if he had chosen not to do anything, millions more americans would have had something to complain about. and all of the families of those that were lost in the the attacks wouldnt even be avenged. could you live with that guilt? even without the september 11 attacks, saddam was a terrorist dictator who was killing thousands of his own people and trying to hide it. he needed to be taken from power, because he was a threat not only to America, but to the world in general. so would it be more 'right' for us to sit back and let him continue to slaughter his own countrymen when we are teh most powerful nation in the world and we can DO something about it? i think not. and one more thing....the people, the brave soldiers, that are sacrificing their lives to free innocent people from an evil ruler, are to be respected and praised, not ridiculed. the innocent are being hurt by their dictator much more than by those saving them. if one has lost his life being loyal to his country, no matter what way his loyalty was shown, it is honorable. do you people not understand honor? having respect for leaders, loyalty to your country, and pride for your homeland? posted by: patsie (reply) post date: 05.04.04 (8:00 pm) Reply to: madhatta I can remember sept 11, very clearly, i can tell you everything that i did that day, i can tell you where i was when i heard about it, it was wrong, it shouldn't have happened.....but it's the exact same thing that the bush goverment is doing in iraq, THOUSANDS of innocent people are being killed over bullshit, innocent men , women and children. As for respecting your president....what happens when if they start the draft up again....what if someone you love is sent over there and gets killed for nothing ??? are you going to respect him then??? you might say that iraq brought this on themselves...... but you guys trained the terrorists and gave them every opertunity to be terrorists so hey it's your goverments fault that sep 11 even happened so deal with it.....yas brough it on yourselves. Right about now i'd be ashamed to say i was american but i'm not so yay for me!!!! I AM CANADIAN!!!!!!!~ posted by: mzmzchelle (reply) post date: 05.04.04 (9:47 pm) May God Bless America cause Bush sure wont!! LOL!!! posted by: Jsin (reply) post date: 05.04.04 (9:57 pm) Reply to: madhatta Just because someones president doesnt mean you have to respect them, sending soldiers over to kill innocent civilians, and take over there country is nothing to respect. Tragedies like 9/11 happen all over the world , but most americans dont care about it unless it happens in there own backyard. The term "hero" is thrown around too much, killing innocent ppl because you want the oil in there country hardly makes you a hero. posted by: Snickerdoodle (reply) post date: 05.04.04 (10:08 pm) but.. no one likes canada :P lol jp yeah I agree.. just going to Iraq doesnt make u a hero posted by: reducto (reply) post date: 05.05.04 (12:01 am) "I'm So glad i live in canada, here we dont have to worry about terrorist threats or any of that stuff,and its that way here because our country doesnt jump into everyone else's businness and try and take over there country." That's because you got America protecting your ass. By the way, when the US tries to get you guys to cooperate against terror, you guys don't. You claim "refugee" status to any terrorist that claims it. Whenever you guys decide to join the big boys and put your canuck lives on the line, you always have to hitch a ride on a US plane/ship. Yeah, be real proud you're a Canadian. Americans not only died for AMericans, they died for you too. posted by: Jsin (reply) post date: 05.05.04 (12:57 am) Reply to: reducto Im glad we didnt help, 9/11 is what happens when you stick your nose into other peoples business, things like that wont happen here not because america protects us but because the rest of the world doesnt hate us. I am proud to be canadian, we're peace keepers, we dont try and take over other countries because we want their oil. posted by: WhyNot (reply) post date: 05.05.04 (2:22 am) Reply to: Jsin "Just because someones president doesnt mean you have to respect them, sending soldiers over to kill innocent civilians, and take over there country is nothing to respect." Agree 110%. A president of a western democracy is not a King or an Emperor designated by some bullshit god, he's but a citizen elected by his fellow citizens to run the country on their behalf. Ppl who believe he's achieved some *non-touchable* status obviously don't have a clue what the very word *democracy* means. And, if anything, the very fact he's in such a responsible position should make him 10 times more answerable to the People, whom he's supposed to speak and act on behalf of. "Tragedies like 9/11 happen all over the world , but most americans dont care about it unless it happens in there own backyard." 120% right. No need for added comment, you've said it all. "The term "hero" is thrown around too much, killing innocent ppl because you want the oil in there country hardly makes you a hero." 130% right and rising. The very concept is bad, and the beating-drums to try to hide the horror and wrongness of it all is starting to get sickening. Well said, Jsin, and yes, I'd rather be in Canada than in the US under the Bush regime. posted by: WhyNot (reply) post date: 05.05.04 (2:37 am) Reply to: reducto "That's because you got America protecting your ass." Yeah, like conducting foreign policies that are leading to the entire Muslim world hating America and as a result indiscriminately wanting to kill any caucasian in revenge. Great protection! Or like the protection for Spain whose government sucked Bush's little dick and what protection did they get in return? A near 9/11 event on their own soil. Yeah, America is a great protector of its allies. "By the way, when the US tries to get you guys to cooperate against terror, you guys don't." You mean: they don't *pretend* to fight terrorism by using terrorism on other nations, right? "You claim "refugee" status to any terrorist that claims it." Oh right, you mean like the dozen guys in the US that were trained in Florida on how to blow up the twin towers, right? posted by: DianneMaire (reply) post date: 05.05.04 (3:06 am) Reply to: madhatta You've been indoctrinated and assimilated madhatta along with reducto. No point going through the many reasons why. It's obvious you wouldn't comprehend. Brainwashing is a WMD. posted by: patsie (reply) post date: 05.05.04 (6:53 am) Reply to: reducto "That's because you got America protecting your ass." How can you protect us when yas can't even protect yourselves???? 9/11 is proof of that. posted by: patsie (reply) post date: 05.05.04 (6:57 am) Reply to: Jsin "Tragedies like 9/11 happen all over the world , but most americans dont care about it unless it happens in there own backyard." How true!!!!! Good one roots posted by: DrForbush (reply) post date: 05.05.04 (10:51 am) Reply to: patsie What Bush is doing in Iraq is actually worse than what al Qeada did in the US. Al Qeada killed just over 3000 people in the US. Bush's war killed over 14,000 people in Iraq. And worse than that most of them were innocent non-combatants like the people in the World Trade Center. posted by: DrForbush (reply) post date: 05.05.04 (10:55 am) Reply to: reducto " Whenever you guys decide to join the big boys and put your canuck lives on the line, you always have to hitch a ride on a US plane/ship." In 1991 the Canadians joined the US in fighting a just war against Iraqi aggression. I think it great that Canada used their collective brains and realized what a stupid idea this Iraq war of aggression was. Canada picked the right side in both conflicts! posted by: therealspartacus007 (reply) post date: 05.05.04 (11:05 am) Most Americans do not want to interfere in other nations' business, even if the large corporations that pull the strings of our unelected government does. The reason the Iraq War was supported is because President Bush misled the nation into thinking it was part of the War on Terror. posted by: Denise (reply) post date: 05.06.04 (8:11 am) I would like to give my two cents about this talk. First of all I think the person who said that America is protecting Canadas ass needs to be corrected on a few things. First is that dealings between the States and Canada have never been worse so I really doubt that you would protect us from anything. second you need to remember that there where also Canadaians who died at 9/11 and our fire man where there too. Third You seem to be confused because I Was Binladin not Sudam who was responsible for 9/11. It was 1000,s who died not 100's of thousands. Give your view but know your facts. No weapons of mass destruction have ever been found. You said that Sadam had been killing his own people, what is the death toll of American Soldiers now? The red cross went in before the war began and came back and told the world that if this war happened Hundreads of thousands of children will die. The U.S went in anyway. So my question is how many more children have to die before the U.S feels it has avenged the death of its people? I see nothing of this war to be proud about. It has nothing to do with being Canadian or American its a matter of right or wrong so can you tell me that it is right to kill children?Who cares about oil or politics or anything else we do not have the right as people to take lives, that includes Americans. posted by: madhatta (reply) post date: 05.06.04 (7:59 pm) obviously none of you have any sense of dignity and pride for your country. why do you think those people were in the military anyway? because they chose to risk all to fight and make a stand for their country. they understood that chance, and they felt that honoring their homeland was worth it. no one here really grasps those things (things like honor, integrity, pride, loyalty, etc.) so there's no more need for me to 'hang around' and listen to yall--you all sound the same. if you dont like President Bush, then make that known on election day. but just because [you dont like an idea and] you fight against something doesnt mean you're right, a revolutionary, or an enigma. thank yall very much for your replies to my comment...obviously it is more controversial to support your President than to stand against the one we put in office. so....thank yall for saying what you needed to say (i did the same) and you've definatley "made me think"...made me thankful for my state of mind. diannemarie: just because someone believes in something that differs from your opinion doesnt mean they've been 'indoctrined'. i respect all of yalls opinions...its unfair to say that someone that differs from you is wrong. |
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